What’s the real reason Ohio legislators are protecting Airbnb? Today in Ohio (2023)

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A bill that would block local governments from banning or limiting Airbnbs, Vrbos and other short-term rentals is advancing at the Ohio Statehouse, after clearing a preliminary committee vote last week.

We’re asking for possible reasons to attack cities’ home rule and stop them from passing restrictions on short-term rentals on Today in Ohio.

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Editor Chris Quinn hosts our daily half-hour news podcast, on Wednesday with impact editor Leila Atassi, editorial board member Lisa Garvin and content director Laura Johnston.

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Here are the questions we’re answering today:

Why are Ohio lawmakers seeking to stop cities from regulating Airbnbs and the like? Aren’t they aware of the problems some of these places have caused for cities and police?

Cleveland adopted rules for making streets safer and greener over a decade ago, but when it became clear the law had no teeth, then Mayor Frank Jackson resisted strengthening it. There’s a new mayor in town, so what is happening to make streets safer for pedestrians and children? Leila

Has Ohio hit a new record for the price of gas?

Is that high price of gas stopping people from flying for vacations this year? Have fuel prices made airfares prohibitively high?

In a move that has people in some parts of Cleveland clearly cheering, police have seized a stolen car and six all-terrain vehicles in the city. What do we know?

Ohio legalized fireworks starting this year, but is this turning into another urban-rural divide in the state? What’s the latest city to announce it will institute its own ban?

Tree pollen in the springtime causes no end of misery for people with allergies, so how much of the stuff is in the air?

The Northeast Ohio Regional Sewer Commission is required to monitor the health of rivers feeding into Lake Erie. What’s the shocking way that it does that?

How many more places in Ohio can start selling medical marijuana, and how many of them are in Cuyahoga County?

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Chris: [00:00:00] Just when you thought the Cuyahoga county council couldn’t be more incompetent. They take another step that boggles the mind. It’s a story we’ll be talking about on today in Ohio, the news podcast discussion from cleveland.com and the plain dealer of Chris Quinn here with Lisa Gartman, uh, Layla Tasi and the Laura Johnston.

We got a lot to talk about. Let’s dive in. Why are Ohio lawmakers seeking to stop cities from regulating air B and BS in the lake? Aren’t they aware of the problems? Some of these places have caused for cities and police, Lara. They’re not banning all regulations, but they are trying to handcuff the cities yet.

Again. Right.

Laura: Exactly. I mean, do you think state lawmakers care about what cities think? Because I have not seen a whole lot of proof in that in the 15 years that I’ve been back in Ohio paying attention. Um, this is house bill 5 63. It would preempt cities, villages, and townships from banning short term rentals outright.

It also [00:01:00] restricts them from limiting their number or regulating how long or frequently they can be rented out. They could still regulate under fire codes, health codes, noise, ordinances, and other. But they would have to apply to all the houses and long-term rentals, not just short-term rentals and state representative, Sarah Fowler, Arthur, up from Ashtabula, she’s a Republican.

She proposed this bill and she does rent out her home in Geneva, on the lake, through Airbnb. So you can raise your conflict of interest flag if she wants. She says that her bills mostly aimed at preventing local governments from banning the rentals out.

Chris: But how is that not a conflict of interest. She makes money by renting out her place.

And now she’s changing the law to make it easier for, to run out or place. That’s like the definition of conflict. This conflict of interest law no longer apply in Ohio. I mean, if the Supreme court justice pat the wine ignores it, does everybody just ignore?

Laura: I mean, probably the thing is she’s not voting well, you could, you could argue that she would be introducing and voting on something [00:02:00] that directly affects her, because obviously you can’t vote on a contract to your own company and Airbnb isn’t her company, but she is making money on it.

I mean, Airbnb obviously, uh, is in support of this law and VRBO. I should say those are also groups that would be for it, but, uh, um, I guess they make about. I have this down $160 million nationally that people make from this in 2021, $19 million from first time hosts to, we don’t have state numbers, but that’s a lot of money.

Chris: What is the reason though? I mean, the cities are the ones that understand when these things become a problem. They become a problem every now and then, and the cities try and regulate it. What is she trying to do? What is the goal? I

Laura: haven’t seen any rationale from her other than she doesn’t think they should ban it.

And this, the state has always said, oh, we need uniformity. We need to be open for business. We need, we don’t want people to be confused from municipality municipality about what they can [00:03:00] do. That’s always been their home rule against home rule arguments. And they’ve done this over and over again, you know, with gun laws with remember the plastic bag, fight the band, the band’s.

Chris: Yeah, this part, this is the definition of a local problem. If, if a city is detecting that they’re having issues because of the transient nature of homes that they try to deal with it. And I just don’t understand any rationale for stopping it, except that she wants to make more money running out property.

Laura: Yeah. And I don’t know of Geneva on the lake has moved toward banning this, if she’s just like, well, I’m just going to go around my local city council by doing.

Chris: Yeah, it’s another one where it seems like there are people getting into the pockets of the legislature. Again, it’s probably campaign donations.

This is just another bad example of state governance, unless somebody can articulate a reason. I mean, I just, I don’t see a reason to not let the cities. Very local issue. Yeah.

Laura: And the, [00:04:00] the Cuyahoga county mayors and managers association is definitely against it. All of the actual municipal leagues are and pepper pike, mayor Richard Bain.

He’s the head of it. He’s calling this a direct attack on home rule and he had really specific examples about why you’d want to let it. Um, restricted. And he said that an NB, right there was like a, someone rented a house in pepper pike on the NBA. All-star weekend, 300 people each night for several nights.

There were complaints in seven Hills, they had more than 250 people in a house on new year’s Eve, as a guy advertise the party online and charge people $5 to enter after paying five or $40 for the room. So, yeah. I don’t know how you can say that. That should be allowed. Nobody wants that.

Chris: At all, there’s something very fishy about this.

We ought to look into her background, some more something stinks. This is, this is local control. I got our radar up. You’re listening to today in Ohio. Would it be appropriate to use the [00:05:00] word cowardly, to describe the Cuyahoga county councils strategy for dealing with the controversial nomination of Dave one to Alaska, to the port authority, Layla, this one boggles the mind.

I just

Leila: can’t believe this turn of events. It, it seemed for a brief moment that the county council was going to stand up to county executive arm and judgment here and vote down his nomination of, of labor leader. Dave wanted Alaska to the port authority board and, and they would have really had great reasons to do it.

Right. I mean, A this guy is, is really disliked by a whole lot of organizations for the way he behaved during the mayoral campaign season and for his treatment of, of mayor Justin Bev. When, when he was at that point, a candidate, those organizations all have now. To joint letters asking that one to allow skis, nomination be withdrawn.

And then B counsel was pretty sure that Buddhists had lied to them about whether one to allow ski [00:06:00] could hold two conflicting board appointments at once. He’s also serving on the board of elections and apparently that’s against the bylaws of the port board. So the whole thing seemed to leave a bad taste in county counsel’s mouths, and they even momentarily pulled his name from the agenda from, for an earlier meeting.

So counsel could have Nate should have said no to this, but Caitlyn Durbin saw his name pop back up on the agenda for Tuesday committee meetings. So she got to work yesterday, preparing a story, letting readers know what to expect out of that. And then near the end of the day yesterday, she notices that the agenda has changed and his name vanished again for a second, she was thinking.

Maybe a council is having cold feet. Maybe they decided to kick this can down the road a little longer. So she calls them to find out more. And she learns that actually council has decided to let the 60 day window on one, allow skis, nomination laps. After that 60 day window, his nomination is automatically confirmed.[00:07:00]

So pretty much the most passive cowardly way of avoiding having to handle this matter at all.

Chris: You know, I just don’t think this caddy cancels talking to resonance. Cause I hear from people a lot and you know, we’ve talked about the $46 million. They want to waste on the medical Mart, but this is astounding.

They mean, this is such a cowardly way out. And why does the charter make it automatic that they get in? It ought to be, if they don’t act on it, it’s an automatic rejection. There ought to be a positive action needed. Whose decision is. Was this a vote that they vote in secret to not do it?

Leila: Who knows? I have no.

Chris: If I were on county council and I didn’t know about this and, and, and found out about it through Caitlin stir, I’d be furious because you look like you have no spine. I mean, you don’t have a spine. How do you not deal with it and put a vote out there? This gives them, I guess, plausible deniability. Well, we didn’t approve them, but that, that’s [00:08:00] just not what you’re elected to do.

You know, we, we have a story coming. The med Mart and how much it’s cost over the years, because they want to spend all that money on it again, and people are against it. And I was thinking after we run that story, but, you know, putting something together online and in print saying, look, you keep complaining to us about this complaint to these guys.

These are your council people, you know, here’s their email, here’s their phone number. Tell them what you think instead of telling us, because I don’t think these council people ever talk to

Leila: residents, right. I wonder, like, does this 60 day coward clause apply to other things? Like, could they just like, you know, after 60 days, maybe the med Mart won’t need to be voted upon.

That will just, all those millions will just be spent.

Chris: What is the point that the government reform is an abject failure? If the council that was created by it is too. Scared to take action. They’re [00:09:00] paralyzed, literally paralyzed. This is one of the most cowardly acts of a government body that we’ve seen.

I’d love to know who made the decision. You know, there’s three Republicans on this body. Why aren’t they howling about this saying this shouldn’t stand. We should have a vote. I, I just don’t. Okay.

Leila: Right. You know, interestingly, I just wanted to discuss this a little bit because Kaitlin picked up on the fact that county executive candidate, Chris Rowe names.

Who received, who received the endorsement from Wanda LA skis union, the Cleveland building and construction trades council seems to simultaneously want to have little to do with one the Lewinsky himself and the union included his name on the candidate card that members could print off and take to the polls with them on May 3rd, but Ronayne never publicly acknowledged the endorsement until just this past weekend.

When the union union’s name was very quietly added to his endorsement page and, and the legend. Ronayne had asked [00:10:00] one, the, to bury a photo of the two of them posing together at a campaign fundraiser. So, you know, his opponent league wide guard is making a big deal about this and saying like, you can’t have it both ways.

You know, he can’t, he can’t hold one, the loudest gate at arms length while being cozy with the union and make.

Chris: I mean, what, I mean, Chris has a long history with, with the union in university circles. So why can’t he embrace the union while rejecting its leader? Because the leader was tied to what some people believe was a racist campaign and adjust a bit, but I’m not sure I see the, you can’t have it two ways.

Argument. What I was surprised at was Lee. Wineguard kind of embracing Wanda, Alaska. I mean, he’s trying to make his campaign in part. Chris’s university circle, police department profile, black people, then the numbers bear that out. Well, at the same time, you’re going to accuse Chris of running a department that profiled, but you’re going to embrace one.

Balasky very, very strange. I think

Leila: art made some comments at the end of the [00:11:00] story or is sort of, kind of icky things like. What allows, you know what he said when it wasn’t that it wasn’t the worst thing that you could say about, you know, it’s just, I dunno, it was kind of gross.

Chris: Well, it’s a turn in the campaign.

It seems like the campaign is going to be one of personal attacks instead of issues. And I was kind of counting on this campaign to be a fun one based on the issues. We’ll have to see where it goes. It’s today in Ohio, Lisa, you watch. Gas meter dropping down while you’re stuck in traffic yesterday. How much money did it cost you?

Has Ohio hit a new record for the price of

Lisa: gas. Wow. Wow. Wow. I mean, I went downtown yesterday to eat at my favorite noodle place and I was always driving down superior before seeing this story. I saw gas in Glen Glenville for 4 49, a gallon further down in Asia town. 4 39 a gallon and that’s just driving down superior.

But the Ohio average hit its highest on record last week, that was, or earlier this week, [00:12:00] 4 29, a gallon greater Cleveland area. The seven county greater Cleveland area was 4 31. They hit that with the. In geogra county, the highest prices for gas in the greater Cleveland area are typically in geogra and summit counties and the lowest and Lorraine in Portage.

Um, but you know, in the meantime, oil companies are rolling in the dough the first quarter, uh, profits in 2022, for sure. $6.3 billion. That’s four times more than it was last year. Shell made $9 billion in the first quarter of this year. That’s the highest since 2008. And as I sat on I 90, because it was closed due to a potential pedestrian fatality, I watched my gas gauge, gauge tick down and thought, oh, well, there it goes a few dollars or $4 or whatever.

Chris: Yeah, the oil companies are being sleazy here. They’re keeping their prices up, blaming the war in Ukraine and other factors, but their profits prove that they’re just skinning people when they could have [00:13:00] more basic prices. It’s an ugly, ugly situation. They’re catching a lot of criticism for it. It’s today in Ohio, let’s stick with that.

Gasoline cost is the high price of gas stopping people from flying for vacations this year. At fuel prices made airfares prohibitively high. Lisa continue. The thread

Lisa: airfares are high, but not prohibitively apparently because demand is way up and people are not blinking at all. At high prices for airfare tickets, um, we’ve had huge increases, especially from Cleveland to the west coast, going to LA airfares for round trip.

Tickets are up 90. Per cent, San Francisco, 159% Seattle up 104%. And then east coast ones as well, Orlando and Vegas are also seeing big increases in airfares, 84% up in Orlando, 63% in, in Las Vegas, popular destinations went up the most. They went up the least. And we [00:14:00] talked about this last week in the podcast.

How tourism is good in Ohio? Great in the big cities that seems to be reflected nationwide. So the, they went up the least in places like New York city, DC, Miami, and Tampa flying from Cleveland. So yeah, I mean, people demand is great. You know, seats are short because seating capacity is down due to staffing shortages.

Jet fuel prices are up, but people are still flying.

Chris: Well, I wonder if you think about it, a lot of people haven’t gone on vacation since 2019 and this year is the breakout year. Everybody is kind of through with COVID. So it’s just everybody trying to go somewhere

Lisa: fun. Yeah. And, and hopper economist, Hailey Berg has a lot of good advice.

She says there will be no last minute deals or sales this year. So if you’re going to buy. You need to book as soon as possible. And that also goes for hotels and car rentals, which are up at least 30%,

Chris: although the cars are a little bit more available this year than they were [00:15:00] last year, right?

Lisa: Yeah.

Slightly. Yes. But you’re still going to want to book that car rental early, especially during peak travel time.

Chris: Yeah, Susan Glasser described going to the west coast, which she’s spending for car and airfare, and is a lot different than it was a year ago. Check out her story on cleveland.com. You’re listening to today in Ohio.

This next one is for anybody that’s been stuck at a four way intersection while muscle cars do donuts, blocking their path in a move that has people in. Cleveland clearly cheering police have seized a stolen car and six all-terrain vehicles in the city. Laura, what do we know?

Laura: Well, the highway patrol is in charge of this they’ve found on Thursday, a 2017 Dodge charger, two firearms, 10 pounds of marijuana, and the all-terrain vehicles at a house on the city’s west side.

The charger and the H one of the ATVs had been reported stolen, and five had tampered identification numbers, which [00:16:00] obviously is a problem. No, one’s been arrested. And you have to wonder if this is the first of many raids. Do you remember last summer when the Cuyahoga county prosecutor’s office actually put out a warning about a wave of dirt bikes and.

That’s and they were saying they were from like Facebook meetups. And I think they said 83 of them had been word to the city after listing their bikes for sale. And people would take them for rides and just not return them. So obviously this is a problem and we’ve discussed many times on this podcast, the issue about dirt bikes in Cleveland area.


Chris: the Dodge chargers are apparently the favorite for the donuts thing. I haven’t seen this. I’ve been on the road when the dirt bike riders do their thing, but they put the donut thing in the intersection is different where the muscle car leaps out in front of everybody and just. Donuts in the middle of the intersection, black and traffic, there’s even a video out there of one doing it in front of a Cleveland police car and the Cleveland police car.

[00:17:00] Isn’t doing anything. Uh, so the Dodge charger is not a surprise. Uh, the, the six ATVs apparently are all stolen,

Laura: right? So, I mean, I wonder if this will be happening more, obviously I think it’s something we’ll probably be talking about a lot, you know, it’s a summertime thing, people out in the streets.

Chris: Well, the Ohio highway patrols on their trail.

It’s today in Ohio Cleveland adopted rules for making streets safer and greener over a decade ago. But when it became clear, the law had no teeth. Then mayor Frank Jackson resisted strengthening it. There’s a new mayor in town. So what is happening to make the streets safer? Pedestrians and children and Layla.

We’ve had a lot of pedestrians get hit and. In recent years. Ah, that’s

Leila: right. Steve lit brings us the story. It seems that the city’s old complete and green streets ordinance, which council approved back in 2011 during Frank Jackson’s years was it was really ineffective in achieving its overarching goal of giving pedestrians and [00:18:00] cyclists and transit.

Right. Parody with, with automobiles and street design instead of emphasizing maximum traffic flow. And according to city, Councilman Carrie McCormick, and add an advocacy organization for cyclists weak language and in Cleveland’s 2011 law enabled it to be pretty much ignored. And even though McCormick introduced a tougher, complete, and green streets ordinance in 2020.

He said, Jackson resisted those changes and the legislation was never scheduled for council committee hearings, Jackson, disputed that take, but regardless the point is it’s finally happening under this new mayor. Council is about to begin hearings on a new, complete and green street sorted. And. McCormick introduced last month and the piece was Coke.

Co-sponsored by mayor bib as one of 85 items on his to-do list in these early days of his, his time in office. And it calls for stronger efforts to install landscaping, to absorb storm runoff and to equip more streets with safety features that could include. [00:19:00] Low stress grade, separated bike lanes, sidewalk bump-outs at corners and raised crosswalks or speed tables that would naturally slow traffic.

The, so, I mean the bicycling community is far happier with this iteration and it sounds like if it’s applied the way it should be, this will achieve those goals. We’re set out, you know, over a decade

Chris: ago. Well, when they build the bump-outs, it really does slow down traffic and we, Steve story had some stats about how many pedestrians had been killed in recent years.

There was a child. Killed jumping up from between some parked cars a couple of weeks ago, by a 16 or 17 year old driver, but because the cars are going fast and these things do work, but they weren’t really required. I mean, there are a lot more bike trails in Cleveland now than there were before they pass the original law, but we [00:20:00] haven’t dealt with the traffic flow bike lanes.

Don’t do that. You really have to redesign. And that’s what this is about. Is there any resistance to. You

Leila: know, I, I, Steve story, I don’t think, I don’t think Steve story contemplated that it doesn’t sound like there is. I mean, it sounds like it’s, it’s, uh, it’s pretty well embraced, but, but you’re right, that, that, you know, after the ordinance, uh, went into place in 2011, um, there was a big push to get the mayor’s office of Capitol projects to, to follow these guidelines more vigorously.

But, but you know, it turned out that the only. For the only full, complete and green tree. Was this mile-long eight and a half million dollar reconstruction of fleet avenue in Slavic village that was completed in 2016, which is really funny because whenever I think about complete and green streets, that’s the only thing that comes to mind.

And I was really. Sort of surprised to see that in his story, because I didn’t know that [00:21:00] that was the only street that they did fully as completed green. I just know that every city tour I’ve ever taken with city officials, they’ve said we do complete and green streets here, look at fleet avenue, you know, like, and that.

That’s the only example that they’ve had of it. So, um, so that was really eyeopening to see that in Steve’s story, but you know, this new, this new plan, you know, this new plan also, they were saying has, uh, will include these, these other components like this. 10 member, transportation, infrastructure, advisory committee, um, that, um, you know, would meet quarterly and, and its goals would be to engage the public and council in street design issues earlier in the process.

Um, and this, you know, those sorts of things would really go a long way toward reducing those traffic cause fatalities in a way that the earlier iteration of this program had not. So I think, um, I think there, it just sounds like it’s a more serious treatment of, of complete and green infrastructure. [00:22:00]

Chris: Well, as usual Steve’s lit story is fully reported and fascinating.

Check it out on cleveland.com it’s today in Ohio tree pollen in the spring time causes no end of misery for people with allergies on one. So how much of the stuff is actually in the air? Lisa, this is one of the harebrained ideas you get when your eyes are burning, like fire from pollen. We actually had a reporter go out and say, how many.

If you condense that all, how much space, how much volume would it take up? What’s the answer?

Lisa: Well, pollen is extremely tiny. I mean, it, it goes from 10 to 200 micrometres in size and you really can’t see them, but if you gathered all of that pollen, it would take up one square yard. So, yeah. And so you have to think about how tiny these are.

A lot of people think they can see pollen and you can’t really see it in the air. You can usually only see it if it gathers on a car or other surface, but the Friday morning pollen count in Cleveland was [00:23:00] extremely high at 80 grains per cubic meter. This was data from the academy of Cleveland and Northern Ohio and reported by the weather channel tree pollen, like Mulberry, Oak, and Ash is outgoing.

Right. The grass pollen is incoming. So yeah, the pollen is going to keep bothering people. Uh, they, they do say that, uh, climate change is having an effect on pollen season. It starting on average 20 days earlier than it did in 1990. And pollen loads are 21% higher than they were in 1990, according to a study done last year.

So if your eyes are itching and your noses are running and you’ve got allergies,

Chris: I had no idea what the volume would be when I asked it’s, it’s kinda hard to believe that one cubic yard of stuff could cause misery. So wide-scale, it was, uh, not what I expected, but it’s good to hear that the tree pound is finally going away.

It’s today. There are these STO [00:24:00] HIO regional sewer commission is required to monitor the health of rivers feeding into lake Erie. Laura, what’s the shocking way they do it.

Laura: Oh, shocking. You’re so punny because it’s, electrofishing get it. Anyway. This is a special flat bottom boat that shoots an electric current into the water.

It stuns nearby fish so they can be easily scooped from the stream and researchers can check how many there are and what kinds. So I actually did this, uh, three summers ago. It was the hottest I’ve ever been because you have to wear rubber waders and boots because of the current and gloves. Um, I’m never doing this again.

It is really cool way to inspect this biodiversity. They also check out aquatic bugs and crustaceans, and this is all allowing the sewer district to determine if it’s meeting the expectations of the Ohio EPA for the discharge permits and what that is is for stormwater runoff and making sure that, um, that’s cleaning.

Chris: It seems cruel though, [00:25:00] doesn’t it? That you’re shocking them into unconsciousness in the

Laura: water? Well, you’re not killing them. I mean, I give you a hook to them. They, I guess, you know, you could be hurting them too. And actually this is probably a whole lot faster because you’re just collecting everything in there.

If you’re fishing, you have no idea what’s down there and what’s getting caught. This one, you can actually basic glee know that everything you get is everything. The water. Um, so they did a demonstration for P Kraus. They re what they caught range from large carp to minnows, steelhead, trout, Northern pike, and a pregnant goldfish, the size of a small dinner plate.

We have a picture of this online and I was like, oh my goodness. You know, somebody flush that down the toilet.

Lisa: I’ll give you in return. It,

Chris: you can’t electro fish is a Fisher person.

Laura: No, no, no, no, no. I would think it’s super dangerous if you’re not following all the proper precautions, but no, you can not do that.

So it’s

Chris: only, only them. And it’s only because [00:26:00] it’s for science, right? It’s today in Ohio, Ohio legalized fireworks starting this year, but is this turning into another urban, rural divide in the state? What’s the latest city to announce it will Institute its own ban label. It seems like every community in our region is banning fireworks, even though there’s.

Leila: So, yeah, starting July 1st, the state law takes effect allowing Ohioans to shoot off their own firework displays on certain holidays, including, uh, independence day dually and new year’s Eve or over Memorial and labor day, weekends. And then on new year’s day, Juneteenth, Cinco de Mayo and lunar new year.

And the law also allows local governments to opt out of the law or designate when residents can shoot them off. So the city of Cleveland is like hard pass Cleveland, already, bans DIY fireworks, unless a person has obtained a state exhibitors license and a [00:27:00] permit from the Cleveland fire department. Um, and, and violating that class is classified as a first degree misdemeanor, but they’re using this opt out.

As an opportunity to actually double down on their ban. So the legislation that’s been introduced to city council would strengthen Cleveland’s existing ban and this measure would also, so it’s going to add two new provisions to the city law. If it’s passed a prohibition on storing fireworks in homes are within a hundred feet of a home and a ban on pop-up firework vendors, which would prohibit people from selling them on streets, public property, and in properties designated as civic, social religious, or recreational gathering spaces.

Those designated for educational or daycare purposes, man, if you’re selling fireworks out of a daycare that we got problems, but, uh, violations of those provisions would also be a first degree misdemeanor carrying a potential fine of a thousand bucks or 180 days in jail. Um, but several other municipalities are opting out.

Um, so, you know, includes Lakewood shaker Heights, university Heights, Dayton. I’m sure [00:28:00] that list would probably grow, but. Uh, it’s tucked out. We don’t really need everybody to be blessing off their own fireworks with impunity.

Chris: And there are a lot of complaints on places like next door by people about fireworks.

They really, the dogs get upset. They really don’t want them to be allowed. The problem is. People are going to do it anyway. It’s, you know, it’s like prohibition with alcohol people still drank people, shoot off fireworks. I wonder how many people actually have been cited in the past few years in Cleveland for it, because it’s very hard to police.

Leila: Go cite them. That’s cite them. I mean, I think if, if you let it be legal, then everyone’s just going to blast them off. I think that’s the thing. I, I don’t want any more of this. I got a baby who goes to bed at eight o’clock, you know, a lot of people don’t want this. So

Chris: if, if they legalized that, there’d be a [00:29:00] lot more of it.

Leila: ‘cause most people do generally abide by this, then they’re not gonna, they’re not gonna just flout the flout, the rules about it. Most people abide by the rules. So it, but if you let it happen, everyone’s going to be like, Hey sweet. It’s legal. It’s it’ll go blast moment. You know? And so just,

Chris: there’s lots of fireworks going off around here around July 4th, Lisa, I bet you hear the same thing.


Lisa: absolutely. And we don’t even have to wait until July 4th. It usually starts a few days.

Chris: Yeah. Yeah. I don’t think the prohibitions do much to stop it and people get very upset it’s today in Ohio. That’s it for a Tuesday. Thanks Lisa. Thanks Layla. Thanks Laura. Thank you for listening to this podcast.

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